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It seems appropriate to profile the 8614 and 8615 models together. The similarities between their character and taper tend to overlap. Both the 8614 and 8615 were produced in relatively small numbers. Dickerson’s production ledger accounts for twenty-eight 8614s and twenty-one 8615s made, which includes any with Special or Guide designations. The scale of production would put both models in the uncommon/rare category, due to both the small number produced and the attrition associated with the passing of time. Both are superb all-around trout rods. If I were to recommend a Dickerson rod to cover every situation, these would be it. A close second would be the shorter 8014 or 8014 Guide. This does not mean to imply that the 8614/8615 are better rods than the 8014/8014 Guide, but that if a person wanted one Dickerson to cover any trout fishing situation, the 8614/8615 have a very broad range of capabilities. One might think that Dickerson’s three piece 8’6” models could be equally as effective, if the objective were just versatility and reach that an 8’6” rod provides. However, the 8615/8614 are much more pleasant in felt swing weight, responsiveness, and accuracy, over Dickerson’s three-piece models of the same length. However, it is only fair to mention that Dickerson’s 861711 was his top selling model with over 170 produced. During the first half of Dickerson’s career, early 30’s until WW2, three piece rods were much more popular.
The first 8615 was made in 1939 for Earl Leitz, of Leitz Sport Shop, Sault Ste. Marie, MI. The last 8615 was made in 1957 for T.U. Founder, George Griffith. The first 8614 recorded in the ledger was in 1941 for Griswold’s Sport Shop in Detroit and the final 8614 was made in 1954 for Dickerson’s great customer, John S. Sweeney.
Above- Dickerson 8614, no customer name, likely made for a retail shop. Undated, circa, mid to late 1940s
The 8614 and 8615 generally weigh 4.7 to 4.9 oz. Weights sometimes overlap, meaning an 8615 can weigh less than an 8614, which can and usually does mean a slightly more powerful rod. Dickerson’s application of ferrule size selection often resulted in unusual usage. For example, he would often mount an undersized ferrule, removing more cane material than necessary on a rod that would usually call for a ferrule one size greater, for reasons unknown. This fact is discussed in more depth in the “Notes On Rods and Models” section of this site.
https://dickersonrods.com/notes-on-rods-and-models-1
In my experience, most of the 8614s and 8615s are best with a six weight fly line. A friend who is a rodmaker and excellent caster, preferred my 8614 with a five weight line in test casting. However, I feel that for actual on-stream fishing conditions, he would prefer it with a six weight if given the opportunity. Of course, I am sure there are other examples that are slightly heavier or lighter than what I have seen. I have not handled an 8615 Guide, but it would not surprise me if it were best with a seven weight.
Dickerson 8615, with orange wraps usually seen during the period of 1946-1948. Made for Philip B. Day.
8614 & 8615 Taper Comparison
8614 8615
10” .368 .368
20” .324 .313
30” .299 .292
40” .271 .271
48” .242 .252
52” .221 .230
60” .204 .200
70” .184 .175
80” .156 .138
90” .121 .107
100” .084 .078
The above taper example shows a comparison of two rods I have owned. The numbers are not intended to infer that all 8614 and 8615 are the same taper or fall into this pattern. It is simply a snapshot intended to show that the rods can be similar, and that an 8614 can be a slightly heavier taper or vice-versa.
Most of the model 8614s were ordered by two retail outlets. The majority were made for Earl Leitz’s Sport Shop in Sault Ste Marie, Michigan. Earl Leitz was an advocate of Dickerson rods, placing small orders spanning the majority of Dickerson’s career. With Leitz’ shop being located near the St. Mary’s River rapids, referred to as the Soo, the more powerful models such as the 8014, 8616, 9016, and various 9’6”s were favored in his shop.
(Above) Dickerson 9016 "Soo", made in 1948. This rod is a heavy version of the taper for a 9 weight line and had a special, long removable fighting butt ordered with it.
The other major 8614 retailer was Miller Sporting Goods in Dayton, OH. Miller’s ordered their 8614s with a 7 inch grip, an inch or more longer than standard.
The grip (shown right) is one of the 7 inch variety. Because the overall low number of the model made, a high percentage of the 8614s found today will have the longer grip.
(Above) Dickerson ledger entry dated, January 5th, 1949, for Miller Sporting Goods, showing an 8614 ordered with a 7 inch grip.
The 8614 is the model most inaccurately accounted for during the ledger count performed for the Dickerson book. The 8614 count published in the Dickerson book was just three rods. I have gone through the ledger and counted them and, as mentioned earlier, the number is actually 28. You can read more here about the count under The Dickerson Ledger / “The Count” section of this site.
https://dickersonrods.com/the-dickerson-ledger
I have fished both the 8615 and 8614 on large rivers and regardless of the size of the fish and speed of the water, the rods accounted themselves well. Large wild Landlocked Salmon and Brook Trout certainly know how to use the current to their advantage. Trying to control these fish and keep them relatively close is a challenge which can tax a rod, especially vintage bamboo. Other Dickerson models can control large, fast water, wild fish, such as the 8015 Guide Special, 8016 Guide Special, 8616 Guide, or heavy versions of the 9016, 901812, and 9’6’ models. However, these rods can be unpleasurable for everyday use in situations where repeated casting or “fast” fishing is required.
The sweet spots in Dickerson’s rod line up are the actions from which he made his name and executed better than anyone; smooth, powerful actions of the models profiled previously on this site: the 761510, 8014 Guide, and now the 8614/8615. There are others, similar, which might eventually make an appearance here; the 7613, 801711, 9015…. All share the same designation of being Dickerson’s superb, powerfully smooth, modern action models.
Is it still out there? The first Dickerson I ever tried to purchase many years ago was an 8615. It had significant problems, the likes of which would not always be easily identifiable to a new rod buyer. All sections were cut down to make an even length 8’3” rod. The signature was also rewritten and upon very close scrutiny, showed ghosting* evidence of being written in a slightly different location. Where it is this rod now? I doubt it has been thrown away.
*ghosting- a term used in rod restoration and collecting: a light or dark area under a removed thread wrap, which protected or slowed the cane surface from aging at the same rate as the rest of the rod’s surface. This can also occur where script on the rod’s surface had once been present as well. Ghosting can often be seen if a wrap has been relocated or omitted on a restored rod.